Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latino and Hispanic heritage

Intro - Wikimedian in Residence

Hi everyone, my name is Oscar Costero (User:Oscar .), As of this July I am the new Wikimedian in Residence for Latino Culture and Community. The position is designed to increase representation of Latino topics on Wikipedia, and it is supported by Equis. I am very excited to be part of this group and I hope I can collaborate with all its members to impact Latino representation on Wikipedia. Saludos!

Hola a todos, mi nombre es Oscar Costero (User:Oscar .), A partir de este mes de Julio soy el nuevo Wikimedista en Residencia para la Cultura y Comunidad Latina. El cargo está diseñado para aumentar la representación de temas latinos en Wikipedia, y cuenta con el apoyo de Equis. Estoy muy ilusionado de formar parte de este grupo y espero poder colaborar con todos sus miembros en el impacto de la representación latina en Wikipedia. ¡Saludos! Oscar_. (talk) 21:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Is it time for a makeover?

I have been experimenting with a newer design for the wikiproject, what do you all think? Oscar_. (talk) 20:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Oscar . This Wiki project isn't active, but I support the new design all the way. Erick (talk) 21:13, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Magiciandude, I will start making some changes to the page! Oscar_. (talk) 16:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I just made the most significant change, I'm trying to follow the templates of this other wikiproject, but some of them don't work properly. For now I will focus on two sections, the suggested tasks section and the metrics section (which does not exist now). Thanks, --Oscar_. (talk) 16:07, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Shift from task force to stand-alone WikiProject

Could the long title be related to the project's low visibility? I was thinking maybe changing to something like Wikipedia:WikiProject Latin & Hispanic heritage would help? What do you'all think? @Magiciandude @Rosiestep @Megalibrarygirl Oscar_. (talk) 19:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Oscar_. Currently, the work falls is part of a task force (Wikipedia:WikProject United States) and not a stand-alone WikiProject. If it were a stand-alone WikiProject, we could assume it would be more visible. As for making a change, can you please confirm that this is your thinking:

• Shift the group from Wikipedia:WikiProject United States/Hispanic and Latino Americans task force to Wikipedia:WikiProject Latin & Hispanic heritage (or actually to Wikipedia:WikiProject Latin and Hispanic heritage, which complies with naming convention)
• Note, this also exists: Wikipedia:WikiProject United States/Hispanic and Latino Americans task force/Mexican-American task force. Would the "Mexican-American task force" be a task force of the new WikiProject?

--Rosiestep (talk) 20:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey @Rosiestep, I was thinking about Wikipedia:WikiProject Latin and Hispanic heritage and include all the past efforts in one, we can make the call on the Mexican-American task force as well.

The overall idea is to initially attract folks to this page via WP:LATINOS. I used a template from another wikiproject but it is taking some time to adapt, and from experience, before adapting something that is not receiving support, it is better to go another way. I do hope that in the next week, during WCNA, we can make these tweaks so that the page is visible, more user friendly and has tasks that folks can complete. Oscar_. (talk) 13:13, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Oscar .. Wonderful; let's do it! I am quite familiar with the mechanics of the move; it's great if you have in mind how to brand it and add tasks and even promote it at WCNA (the largest wiki conference aside from Wikimania). Safe travels, and looking forward to working on this with you in Indianapolis. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good, it'll be interesting to see how this project goes. By the way just out of curiosity which definition of "Hispanic" and "Latino" are we going to use? Erick (talk) 17:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I would say as inclusive as possible @Magiciandude, what do you think? Oscar_. (talk) 01:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I honestly don't know. Do we use the US government's definition of "Latino"? Or should we have open discussion or consensus? Erick (talk) 01:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I think this needs a bigger discussion, but my first reaction is to avoid restrictions used by governments that may not be the most equitable ones.

I also think about the design of the project as such and I enter into the same dilemmas, e.g which color palettes represent Latinos best? There is even a color that represents so much diversity? I hope we can start answering much of this in the next few months. Oscar_. (talk) 19:14, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Talkpage banner

I tried adding this project's talkpage banner to the Californios article by using Rater, and Rater wouldn't let me. So I went to the article's talkpage and added it manually, but it's a redlink (I left the redlink). The old talkpage template {{WikiProject United States}} remains along with the old add-ons: |MexAm=yes |MexAm-importance=mid |HLA=yes |HLA-importance=high. I don't know how to enable the new talkpage banner, but hoping someone here has the tech know-how and can get to it. If there's a need for AWB to make a significant amount of changes, Ser Amantio di Nicolao has been my go-to for that task, but perhaps there are editors here who are also proficient with AWB. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:13, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Good flag @Rosiestep! Since we changed the name, I think it is only fair to have a stand alone banner as well. Let see if @Ser Amantio di Nicolao can help us or guide us in the right direction, cheers Oscar_. (talk) 03:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

MSGJ refined the talkpage banner system for Women in Red. Perhaps they would have some thoughts, too, on converting the {{WikiProject United States}} talkpage banner to a {{WikiProject Latin and Hispanic heritage}} talkpage banner for the appropriate articles. --Rosiestep (talk) 10:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

In the meantime, an editor reverted the edit I made (adding a "WikiProject Latin and Hispanic heritage" talkpage banner) to the Californios talkpage. --Rosiestep (talk) 10:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Created Template:WikiProject Latin and Hispanic heritage. You might want to add an image and review the settings. Let me know if you need help — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:19, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

This is awesome @MSGJ! One question, after this all articles that were in the old template have been transferred to this one? And another question, the articles are added by hand or a bot does the job? Thanks! Oscar_. (talk) 02:09, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

WP:LATINOS in Simple English

I have just created a version of this wikiproject in Simple English, I think it is a good way to address users who do not feel comfortable editing in here because it is their second language, Oscar_. (talk) 04:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

De La Calle docu-series

Hello! I've created a draft for the the docu-series De La Calle Draft:De La Calle The series explores the socio-cultural history of Urbano music genres, including Hip Hop, Reggaetón, Latin trap, Cumbia, Flamenco, and others. By featuring pioneers and key contributors to these genres, De La Calle highlights the creativity, resilience, and cultural richness of marginalized communities. I am new to creating pages and am not sure what else is needed for the page to be approved. Could someone take a look and let me know. Thank you! Yourculturalscholar (talk) 20:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Latino Repro Series!

Join us for the final event in our Latino Repro Edit-a-thon series on Saturday, December 14th, in Las Vegas! This marks the fifth and concluding chapter of a powerful journey dedicated to addressing a significant content gap this year.

This is more than an edit-a-thon—it's a call to action. Together, we’ve made strides toward amplifying Latino reproductive health topics, but there’s still so much more to do. Let’s use this final gathering as an opportunity to reflect on our progress, celebrate our achievements, and strategize how we can continue this critical work in the coming year.

Your voice, your skills, and your dedication can make a lasting impact. Let’s close this gap, one edit at a time. Oscar_. (talk) 16:35, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Defining "Hispanic" and "Latino"

Now that we are a WikiProject, I think we should take this time to define how this WikiProject defines "Latino" and "Hispanic" just like how I had WikiProject Latin music define what is "Latin music". The US government says it's anyone from a Spanish-speaking country from Latin America or Spain, but is this sufficient? Brazil is usually included as part of Latin America, should Brazilian Americans be included too? In addition, there is some contention on whether Francophone countries and territories are included or not. Sometimes they are, but most of the time, they are not. And then there's Equatorial Guinea, a Spanish-speaking country in Africa, which technically should be included under "Hispanic", but is often ignored. Can we have a consensus on how this WikiProject defines both terms? Pinging: @Oscar .:, @Rosiestep:, @Megalibrarygirl:, @Ocaasi:, @NoonIcarus:, @AJona1992:, @Mercurywoodrose:. I'm fine with whichever the consensus goes, I just think the definition should be posted on the WikiProject front page like I did on WikiProject Latin music. Erick (talk) 23:53, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Also pinging: @JamieF:, @ArcaneGrimoire3000:, @Bridges2Information:, @Digitalcaradura90:. Erick (talk) 00:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi! I'm glad you are bringing up the question and like you, I'm also fine with consensus. Many distinctions about who a group of people are have been created without input from those people and so they are not complete or fully descriptive in a way that is useful for Wikipedia. Overall, I feel that more inclusion for a project is better than less. The Spanish colonization in the past affected many parts of the world, like you mention. In addition, the words "Hispanic" and "Latino" seem to be American distinctions that I'm not sure apply worldwide. Maybe we could start with that and see what the consensus with English-speaking people with Spanish background might say. I think SusunW may have some ideas here, too. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Hey Megalibrarygirl. I'm not on wp right now much. Need to have eye surgery so I can see the screens. Like you, I am cool with whatever consensus arrives at. In my experience, Hispanic typically refers to Spanish-speakers or descendants of Spaniards/Spanish-speakers, Latino/a/x to peoples specifically within Latin America or the Caribbean with ancestry from Latin language speakers, i.e. Spanish, Portuguese, and (sometimes French), and Iberian to people anywhere who descend from Spanish or Portuguese people/speakers of the Iberian peninsula (i.e. Iberian would include both Hispanic and Lusophone cultural groups in Africa, Asia, Europe and the Americas.) Hope everyone is having a nice holiday. SusunW (talk) 22:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

I, too, support consensus. While I agree that a broader definition may be better than less, particularly in the early days of this WikiProject, that also makes things a bit trickier. For example: Sephardic Jews who were pushed out of Spain (and Portugal) centuries ago have ancestors in the U.S. today, including me, making me one of those descendants of Spaniards; and my DNA confirms >25% of this ancestry. I always pause/reflect when filling out government (etc.) forms that require an answer to the question if I am of Hispanic ancestry because of lack of definition. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Totally agree with you there, Rosiestep! The label that we place on people can be difficult and confusing. Even the labels we use for ourselves are not complete. :) Government(s) and organization(s) try to label people for different reasons: not all of them are useful for what we are trying to do here on Wikipedia. For a WikiProject, I agree that like SusunW, we should be as inclusive as possible and make sure that we're not trying to pin things down too much but just enough. I would also rather look at how Latino/a/e/x and Hispanic communities are defining themselves, rather than just look at how the US government is using the term. That way we aren't limiting ourselves to how "others" categorize people, but how the people categorize and see themselves. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:58, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Okay, so it seems the consensus so far is that the US government's definition is inadequate. I have written some proposed definitions on my sandbox and would like to see if this proposed guideline is supported or opposed. Feel free to make any changes on the proposed guidelines. If needed, I can also ask members of WikiProjects of countries not already represented by us such as Brazil and Haiti. Erick (talk) 15:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Magiciandude! I have noticed that Pew Research considers Hispanic to be self-defining [1]. In another interview, professor Mora from UC Berkeley talks about the history of the terms Hispanic and Latino and I think her ideas are pretty informative and support your sandbox description pretty well [2]. I like your first definition of Latino because it seems more inclusive. The only thing I may add to the definition is that anyone who is self-identifying as Hispanic or Latino may be included. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Perfect! And I went ahead and added your suggestion. Let's see what everyone else has to say. Erick (talk) 19:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I love this initiative @Magiciandude, and wholeheartedly agree with all your points! If we truly want to embrace greater diversity, we can't limit ourselves to rigid definitions, this applies not only to this project but also to the kind of content the encyclopedia needs. This quarter, I'll be focusing on identifying Latino and Hispanic content gaps, and surely having these criteria in place will be such a valuable tool, cheers Oscar_. (talk) 17:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

If I'm still in time to drop in: as a Latino and native Spanish speaker, I've always understood "Hispanic" as a person with Spanish ancestry and "Latino" has a person from the Americas (including its diaspora) with ancestry from the Iberian Peninsula, including both Spain and Portugal.

The definition can still be further discussed. Would we consider as people from the Phillipines as Hispanic? Or English speaking countries in the Caribbean as Latino? I've even read interpretations to consider all Romance languages in the Americas, and by extension even Quebec would be included in this case (a conclusion I don't personally agree with).

However, I think the description provided by Erick is pretty accurate. Excellent job :) --NoonIcarus (talk) 15:03, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you @NoonIcarus:! As for the other countries and territories you mentioned, if anyone of them from those regions self identifies as "Hispanic" or "Latino", then it should be fine too. This was Megalibrarygirl's idea which I think works well so we don't have to worry! Erick (talk) 16:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Pinging those who have not yet participated for the last time: @ArcaneGrimoire3000:, @Bridges2Information:, @Digitalcaradura90:, @Enmanuel:, @JamieF:, @DukeOfDelTaco:, @AJona1992:, and @Yourculturalscholar: to see there are any objections or support for my input above. Erick (talk) 18:25, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

TLDR; but as a Venezuelan and Sephardic Jew, I prefer being called Hispanic over Latino. Enmanuel (talk) 00:31, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

@Enmanuel That's completely fine, what do you think of the suggestion on my sandbox? Erick (talk) 00:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't know I was pinged the first time. I'm fine with the consensus and the sandbox definitions. I think most definitions tend to be American-centric and overlook other regional perspectives. So hopefully by including definitions and viewpoints from outside the US, everyone can feel represented. Best – jona ✉ 16:45, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Late entry to the discussion here but I figured I might as well contribute, even though my perception of the definitions seems similar to everyone else's. The only thing I would want to clarify about the sandbox definitions is that I'm not sure all people of Caribbean countries would consider themselves Latino.I'm sure these labels are ultimately up to the individual as has already been mentioned earlier, though that's just my two cents. DukeOfDelTaco (talk) 00:02, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

I've always preferred using the term Latino over Hispanic. Latino or Latine now (which is better than Latinx). Latino represents the whole continent of South America including our brothers in Brazil and in the Caribbean. But ultimately that is my personal take and believe people should self identify as they see fit. Yourculturalscholar (talk) 07:02, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

I really appreciate that we’re reaching a consensus, it's great to see us moving forward together! Since we're in agreement on the core ideas, I wonder if this might also be a good time to settle on the name for the future usergroup project. Right now, it’s also called WikiProject Latino and Hispanic Heritage, but I think it’s worth discussing whether this name fully captures our shared vision. We got some cool suggestions in one of the editathons we held last year:

• Latino & Hispanic Editors Collective
• Latino Voices on Wikimedia
• WikiRaíces

Any thoughs? or other suggestions? --Oscar_. (talk) 15:10, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

@Oscar . I'm torn between the first and last term, they're both really good. I have requested a bot to mass tag American people of Hispanic/Latino heritage. We also need to restore the templates such as the {{WPLatinos-invite}} invitation and barnstars (see from the old page before the makeover). Maybe the temples can have its own tab on the front page just like resources? Erick (talk) 16:43, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

WikiRaíces has a nice ring to it, although I'm not opposed to the other two options. --NoonIcarus (talk) 23:12, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Please forgive my very late response, things are hectic right now (for everyone). I think WikiRaíces has such a great ring to it, but I am not opposed to any of the other names. Additionally, special thanks to @Magiciandude for working on the definitions. I really like what you're proposing in your Sandbox - I like the first option best, as it feels most inclusive. Thank you all for the work on this - please expect to see me around more often in the coming weeks. Take care. JamieF (talk) 19:00, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

In the US I think the terms Latino/Latine/Latinx are ever-evolving and not well-defined. Perhaps for this reason, I do have a slight preference for WikiRaices. Bridges2Information (talk) 19:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Though I do like a lot the wikiraíces name, I want to point out that Raíces Texas is an org that works on immigration and it's well known. My concern is that it might inadvertently tie our WP to the org. If you google raíces, for example, it's the first website that shows up. Just something to be aware of—is there another noun similar or akin to raíces that we could use? I love the visual it creates. Digitalcaradura90 (talk) 20:48, 6 February 2025 (UTC) 19:03, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

I just had a chance to look at the sandbox and those definitions are really comfortable. In addition, I agree with the premise that people should self identify as they see fit. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:10, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

Templates and banners

Thank you everyone who participated on the previous discussion on defining Hispanic and Latino. Next we need to discuss the templates and, more importantly, the WikiProject banner. Since we are now a standalone project again, we will need our own banner once more and to ensure that articles are properly tagged. I spoke to Bunnypranav to see about getting the articles tagged by a bot, and he has agreed to do so as long as I have consensus for mass tagging (after all, we wouldn't want to tag articles outside of the project scope by accident). Here is the discussion where I brought it up about on his talk page and where Oscar . brought up starting the project banner from anew. Here is the petscan of possible articles that might be included to the project scope (I set "Depth" to "3").

In the meantime, here is the proposed WikiProject talk banner and this is the proposed documentation. We should probably update the old templates, namely the {{WPLatinos-invite}}, and this barnstar {{Huelga Award}} as well. I'm open to any ideas!

Mass tagging everyone who participated from the previous discussion: @Rosiestep: @Megalibrarygirl:, @Ocaasi:, @NoonIcarus:, @JamieF:, @ArcaneGrimoire3000:, @Bridges2Information: @Digitalcaradura90:, @DukeOfDelTaco:, @Enmanuel:. Just need to get consensus for the mass tagging for Bunnypranav to mass tag the articles. Erick (talk) 20:00, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Slightly unrelated, but in the main page of this talk, it says Hispanic and Latino Americans task force. From what I can see, this looks like a fully functional WikiProject, so should that be updated? ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:36, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Regarding the categories, something you people can do is to check all of the sub-categories till a specified depth from a main cat. In my previous auto-tagging task bot trial, we had to revert about 30-ish pages which were not relavent, and all were from the same cat. As spot checking many pages in not possible due to sheer volume, checking the categories, and their descriptions at least will help us exclude those from the mass tagging list. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:43, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for getting this discussion started @Magiciandude, and to you @Bunnypranav for be willing to help. It's been waiting for the right moment since the change! I fully support the proposed updates and am happy to help coordinate. My only question for now is whether there’s a way to automatically revert articles that don’t fit after the tagging. If necessary, I’d be happy to assist in adjusting anything that strays too far from the agreed depth.

On another note Bunnypranav, since this is a bilingual project, will there be a way, perhaps through PetsCan or other tools to track how many articles about Latinos exists in the Spanish Wiki? My idea would be based on this category to create a new one there with the articles already created. Please let me know!

Now, some good news about the design! We’re in talks with a fantastic agency of Latinas who will help us redesign this project. Last year, they did an amazing job with banners like the one for WCNA, and I truly believe they’ll bring a great creative touch to our new banner, barnstar, and maybe even a mascot to make the project more engaging. Exciting times ahead! Oscar_. (talk) 17:10, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Hey @Oscar ., Answering a few of your queries: If we realize that a bunch of page were mistakenly tagged, we can you a mass rollback script to revert the edits by the bot for those selection of pages. We should obviously try to reduce that to a minimum, if not zero, as that incurs two edits to a page (the revert probably not a bot edit), with no value added.

For the tracking of interwiki pages, I'm not 100% certain how it can be done. My first thoughts include a test at petscan:31939923, which lists the enwiki page names in the above cat (depth 3, just for testing) who's Spanish (eswiki) versions are linked with their respective wikidata items. Moving forward, we can probably use some combinations and functions from https://query.wikidata.org/ and PetScan to get their Spanish counterparts. You can maybe try WP:SQLREQ if Quarry supports it. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:18, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Update: I finally figured it out. In any petscan query, under the Other sources tab, set the Use wiki option to eswiki. It takes the pages from the cats in enwiki, then outputs the wikidata linked eswiki (Spanish Wiki) article. Note that this only works if the article has a wikidata item, and is inter-language linked to the spanish wiki counterpart. Hope this helps! ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:44, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Thanks @Bunnypranav, that’s really helpful! One more thing for you and everyone else before doing the tagging: this page is titled Latin and Hispanic, not Latino and Hispanic. Based on our previous discussion, I assume we’re going with the latter title for the Wikiproject and we might need to make another move beforehand. Just wanted to flag that! Oscar_. (talk) 16:29, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

I went ahead and moved the WikiProject name by being bold. I doubt there will be any contention based on the previous discussion. So what's the next step Oscar .? Erick (talk) 21:20, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Thanks @Magiciandude! I was reviewing the Petscan again and noticed that Puerto Ricans are being excluded from the mass tagging. I’m curious, what’s the reasoning behind that? We have some Boricuas tagged here who can chime in. I’d assume they ought to be included.

For next steps, I’d suggest moving forward with the mass tagging. After that, we can work on change barnstar/logos and invites. I can handle this for the project and share the designs once they're ready. I'd also love having new userboxes! Cheers, Oscar_. (talk) 17:53, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

If you people can give me the tag params, and a smaller set of confirmed pages to begin with, I can start with the request for approval and trial phase of the bot. That'll take some time, and meanwhile you can comeback with a larger and more complete set of pages. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:07, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

Hey @Bunnypranav, let's start with Category:Hispanic and Latino American musicians, it's a strong sample to kick things off! Oscar_. (talk) 19:39, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Oscar ., since that is a pretty large and broad category, could you give me the depth value and any exclusions? petscan:31693868 was something User:Magiciandude gave me in the first couple messages in my talk, if you both could verify it. Also, is {{WikiProject United States}} with parameter HLA=yes the final tag to be added? ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 04:14, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

to answer that last question probably not I made a sandbox with its own Wiki project Banner. Erick (talk) 04:36, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

@Magiciandude even if the banner is not 100 percent ready, but there is something to look at in the template, with cats created, then we can go ahead with the trial bot approval. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 05:04, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

@Bunnypranav I finished making the basic banner. It's {{WikiProject Latino and Hispanic heritage}} and the cats are ready. Is everything prepared for the trial bot? Erick (talk) 21:52, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

@Erick: Make sure to create Category:Latino and Hispanic heritage articles, which was mentioned in the first line of the above template's docs. Apart from that, everything's prepared and BRFA filed! ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:27, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

 Done EDIT:Bunnypranav, you can remove "Puerto Rican people" from the exclusion list as well. Erick (talk) 15:58, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

BTW, Oscar ., I created a page for a bot to search for new articles. The rules are right here, please feel free to make any changes to the rules section! Erick (talk) 02:33, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks @Magiciandude and @Bunnypranav! Just to be sure, are we including Puerto Ricans in the tagging right? I saw some boricuas, but the PetScan still has the exclusion. Oscar_. (talk) 16:24, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

I changed the petscan and removed the exclusion. Not on my laptop, so will share it tomorrow. (Every change in config creates a new petscan id btw) ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 16:33, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Another source of articles for your project to look at tagging is the 329 articles currently in Category:Pages using WikiProject United States with unknown parameters that are tagged with some form of {{WikiProject United States|Hispanic and Latino Americans=y}} from the old taskforce. If you want, I can mass-update them with the Latino and Hispanic heritages parameter instead. Harryboyles 01:04, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

@Harryboyles I made a request for the perimeter to be deprecated from the wikiproject United States on its talk page since we have our own wikiproject with our own Banner Erick (talk) 01:36, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

@Magiciandude and Oscar .: For replying to this comment, could you give me a rough estimate of the pages that you wish to be tagged. Currently I have petscan:33068156, comprising Category:Hispanic and Latino American people and Category:American people of Haitian descent, and also removing Puerto Ricans as an exclusion (i.e. it is included in the tagging). If there is are more categories that you people plan to include, please add them in a petscan, with appropriate exclusions to proceed with the BRFA and tagging. Thanks! ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:10, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

I can't think of any on top of my head for the categories. As for the number of pages, I'd rather as many as possible I don't have a rough estimate I'm sorry. Erick (talk) 22:36, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

@Magiciandude and Oscar .: Could you people please check the category tree of Category:Hispanic and Latino American people and Category:American people of Haitian descent one last time, maybe using Special:CategoryTree for removing any false positive categories. This is very critical to be identified before the tagging, so I am asking multiple times. Hope you can understand. Thanks! ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 14:02, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Bunnypranav, thanks so much for your continued support! Looking at the categories, they seem spot on, and the estimate (around 13,000 articles) looks like it's heading in the right direction. As for the future, I'd love to see Category:Hispanic and Latino American society included in future taggings. I haven’t dived into that in depth yet, so for now, it’s best to keep the focus on people. Oscar_. (talk) 15:06, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Hey @Magiciandude and @Oscar .: I'm always happy to help! :)

The bot tagging for the petscan I have is almost coming to an end. ~1000 pages left, should be done in a few hours. Feel free to ping/leave me a message if you have more pages to be tagged, or want some params changed en masse for the pages already tagged. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:57, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Question about symbol used for this project

Is there a reason why the United Farm Workers flag is the symbol for this project? UFW has specific political and cultural connotations that not all Hispanics identify or sympathize with. The use of its flag here, while well-intended, seems to suggest that all Hispanics are basically Mexican or of Mexican ancestry (a common misperception in the US). Moreover, UFW wasn't even an exclusively Mexican/Mexican-American group; Asians significantly contributed to it as well.

A project that dedicates itself to Hispanic culture in the US ought to have symbols that are more neutral and representative of all of Spanish-speaking America. Small detail, perhaps, but it just came to my attention while doing some clean-up at an article covered by this project. Thanks. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 03:07, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I agree with this, there probably are better symbols that could be used. Maybe the letter Ñ? (File:Ñ ñ.png). It's probably too simple and not exclusive to the United States, but it might help to encompass all Hispanic groups. --NoonIcarus (talk) 03:23, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

The letter "Ñ" would definitely be an improvement. Another possibility would be a modified version of the map illustrating Hispanophone countries in the infobox for the Spanish language article. Whichever would be better than the current choice. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 03:44, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@CurryTime7-24 Hi there! So I implemented that image as a temporary placeholder. So it's not meant to be permanent. Oscar . mentioned that he has a group of artists working on the new image banner for the templates so I was waiting on that. I don't mind changing the image for now, but Americans from Hispanic America is not the sole focus of this project, we include Portuguese- and French-speaking (except French Canada) Americas, Spain, and Equatorial Guinea as well. We would need an image that encompasses those ethnic groups as well. Erick (talk) 06:34, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Erick Given the scope of this project, that's all the more reason to replace the current symbol, even a temporary one, with something more neutral and representative. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 16:53, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Fair enough and no worries I wasn't trying to argue. I was just saying it was never my intention to make it permanent so I don't mind if it's replaced right now with something else until the final image is complete. Erick (talk) 18:00, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't think you were. Sorry if my reply sounded stern. Maybe I just sound that way! :) A good replacement would be a modified version of the map in the infobox for Ibero-America that would also include French Guiana and France. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:42, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @CurryTime7-24, thanks for bringing this up and for your suggestions! You're right, we need to rethink the project's imagery. Even the current banner, which is an allegory of Día de los Muertos, might primarily represent Mexican-American culture rather than all Latinos.

For now, we can add a map, though I do have some reservations about maps and national borders. Another option could be using something like this or this but replacing the text with "WP:LATINOS". I ping @Digitalcaradura90, the designer behind these ;-) Oscar_. (talk) 14:24, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

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