mrdiv

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Icstor's clearly not interested in this project anymore, and honestly there's no point continuing it if he has so much trouble to get himself to work on it, it would be better to abandon this game or let another dev. continue it if thats an option and move on to another project that he's actually interested in doing.
 

billclinton99

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Icstor's clearly not interested in this project anymore, and honestly there's no point continuing it if he has so much trouble to get himself to work on it, it would be better to abandon this game or let another dev. continue it if thats an option and move on to another project that he's actually interested in doing.
6800 paying(?) patrons, jeebus. Even if all them only gave 1 dollar that amounts to 2 or 3 times more than most make in a month.
 
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Belnick

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6800 paying(?) patrons, jeebus. Even if all them only gave 1 dollar that amounts to 2 or 3 times more than most make in a month.
yea you should start making your own game, might get Slonique income(99 PATRONS, $643 PER MONTH) or DarkCookie income(26587 PATRONS, $69 726 PER MONTH) depending how good you are :p

it is weird Icstor only got 6855 patreons as imho he is making a much better game than darkcookie, in everything that counts, but im not trying to start a discussion about different games, just saying if you want to complain about how much they make, like darkcookie making 70k a month is a lot, then start making your own game instead and hope for same success.

Is this complaining about someone who have success something to do with some sort of ideology like communism ? or just jealousy ?
 

Dave98424

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yea you should start making your own game, might get Slonique income(99 PATRONS, $643 PER MONTH) or DarkCookie income(26587 PATRONS, $69 726 PER MONTH) depending how good you are :p

it is weird Icstor only got 6855 patreons as imho he is making a much better game than darkcookie, in everything that counts, but im not trying to start a discussion about different games, just saying if you want to complain about how much they make, like darkcookie making 70k a month is a lot, then start making your own game instead and hope for same success.

Is this complaining about someone who have success something to do with some sort of ideology like communism ? or just jealousy ?
You missed the point. The complaint is not strictly the amount of money, it is about the amount of money made vs effort spent earning it. Also your point about jealousy makes no sense, if I try to follow your so called logic then you are jealous of complainers?... Personally I would find that very odd.
 

Ace_X

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You missed the point. The complaint is not strictly the amount of money, it is about the amount of money made vs effort spent earning it. Also your point about jealousy makes no sense, if I try to follow your so called logic then you are jealous of complainers?... Personally I would find that very odd.
I think what he makes now is fine for all the years he made games making no money, now he's getting back pay. The problem is if he will continue making content or not. With his potential, he could retire in a few years... But it seems like he's dropping the ball....
 

septacycell

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This and other games makes me think it would be neat to have a post overlay containing the last update from the developer, I mean the last thing they said regarding the progress on the game they were working on, not the latest download (because that's in the frontpage), it would be nice to simply report a post as "latest update", then the moderator checks it if it has a source and is newer and then flags it as such.
 

Belnick

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I think what he makes now is fine for all the years he made games making no money, now he's getting back pay. The problem is if he will continue making content or not. With his potential, he could retire in a few years... But it seems like he's dropping the ball....
how does taxation works from this? It cant be classed as a gift? as he produce a product depending on how good the "gifts" are, but ofc it depends from country to country. We used to be able to play online poker here and give our government nothing so they changed the laws, they must have their fingers in everything, at least here :p
and I assume he have people helping him that he then pay? do they count as employees? so he must tax their payment as well?
I really doubt he can save all that money each month....not saying he cant save some, but some people seem to think it is "free" money


You missed the point. The complaint is not strictly the amount of money, it is about the amount of money made vs effort spent earning it. Also your point about jealousy makes no sense, if I try to follow your so called logic then you are jealous of complainers?... Personally I would find that very odd.
I guess my logical thinking is higher than yours if that is what you got out from that, it sounds more like you took what i said as an insult and then you tried to fire something back....not that i care :p
gonna make some pasta and bolognese now, have fun
 
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goobdoob

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how does taxation works from this? It cant be classed as a gift? as he produce a product depending on how good the "gifts" are, but ofc it depends from country to country. We used to be able to play online poker here and give our government nothing so they changed the laws, they must have their fingers in everything, at least here :p
and I assume he have people helping him that he then pay? do they count as employees? so he must tax their payment as well?
I really doubt he can save all that money each month....not saying he cant save some, but some people seem to think it is "free" money
Patreon handles this. You should look at their legal documents if you're interested.
 
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Ace_X

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how does taxation works from this? It cant be classed as a gift? as he produce a product depending on how good the "gifts" are, but ofc it depends from country to country. We used to be able to play online poker here and give our government nothing so they changed the laws, they must have their fingers in everything, at least here :p
and I assume he have people helping him that he then pay? do they count as employees? so he must tax their payment as well?
I really doubt he can save all that money each month....not saying he cant save some, but some people seem to think it is "free" money
it would be pre-tax dollars. In the USA, (very simplified) you pay taxes on profit. To simplify, I will say he makes $1,000 a month after Patreon fees.. So if he spends $100, a month on renting an office space... and hires out $300 a month to contractors as help (they pay their own taxes). Then he is making $600 a month that he has to pay taxes on. (Let's say 20%). So he pays $120 in taxes and pockets $480. (This is super simplified, so any CPAs put there forgive me...)

So I guess, whatever he is making per month on patreon, cut it in half and that is his take home pay...
 
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DiddlerGames

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Oh man, the fans are back, this thread is about to get interesting.
Patreon handles this. You should look at their legal documents if you're interested.
And even then, making around $35k a month for over a year, would allow him to save up enough that he could just retire and live off the interest of the money he has made.

I gotta know, why is it when people criticize his lack of effort vs money made, they get so defensive?
 

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Oh man, the fans are back, this thread is about to get interesting.

And even then, making around $35k a month for over a year, would allow him to save up enough that he could just retire and live off the interest of the money he has made.

I gotta know, why is it when people criticize his lack of effort vs money made, they get so defensive?
Why are you posting in this thread if you're not a fan?
 

harem - king

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Where the Heart Is isn't an incest game.
Could have fooled me with how it's written, particularly when the 'best friend' keeps talking about how the feelings she's having for the main character are so wrong. You haven't figured out who the 'secret other lover' mentioned in the dad's will is, have you? Or why Elaine is so irrationally angry at the 'best friend'? Keep on thinking, you'll get there.
 
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Badred

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Because it's an open forum for piracy of content and I have pirated the game. This is not the ICSTOR fan forums. If you want to defend him and pay for his work, go there.
Lmfao i love how people are over using the term pirating content here...
We are not just pirating content, we are a massive part of the games advertisement and development. We are the free workforce that does all the bug reporting and actually giving guidance to the developer on what would be the best plot choices, what would be the best characters and then giving feedback on all those things which the developer can then use to better the game and eventually put out a product that is actually tested and properly done before its actual release.
These mods here keep using the term like the dev is doing some charity work for by giving us this content.
The "pirates" are the sole reasons these games have become as popular and loved as they are and for devs and mod to shit on us like they do one some of these forums *COUGH* Wifey Academy *COUGH* is beyond ungrateful and disrespectful...
 
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